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Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby gerryhebear » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:52 am

We're nearing the end of our rebuild project on our 42 Motor Yacht. The vessel is now in dry dock after deciding that we would epoxy the bottom completely as a result of some blistering. I don't think blistering ever sunk a boat but I concluded that it was cheaper to deal with it now rather than later or when we decide to sell. But that gives us a few months to finish up on a lot of little things so we're dealing with it. On our travels we will need to stay in touch with the business and we have been reading up on the alternatives. We have concluded that we should have boosters to maximize both our cellular and wi-fi reception and that should work since we will be travelling south on the east coast and then the southern Bahamas. We have decided that Satellite internet is overkill and far too expensive. There's a diversity of product out there to enhance both cellular and wi-fi signals which is the route we would like to take. Would appreciate any input or experience you might have to help us decide which of the products available might best work for us.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby rwells » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:46 pm

I installed The WirieAP+ (WiFi only) last year and am very pleased with the performance. Easy install on a topside rail. The Wirie Pro (WiFi and 2G/3G/4G) is probably what you are looking for. http://www.thewirie.com/
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby gerryhebear » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:20 pm

Thanks. The Wirie Pro was my first choice when I looked at the options I found. Mostly because everything is integrated into one box that seems very waterproof at the base of the antenna and includes the modem so its just a power wire installation. My thought is to install it on the mast since I can lower the mast to change out the Sim card if I need to. I'm thinking to also get the upograded antenna which brings it all to $800, still not too bad if it works as you say.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby wkearney99 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:05 am

I'm about to take possession of a GB that has a Wirie on it. It'll be interesting to see how well it works.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby Dmeyer » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:31 am

I added a Rogue Wave Pro system (http://www.wavewifi.com/services/rogue-pro/) to my boat late last year. I placed the Rogue antenna on a 8' extension (http://shakespeare-ce.com/marine/product-category/mounts-accessories-leisure/mounts-accessories-2/) so it was clear of my bimini top, then ran the lead to a wireless Netgear N300 router. Easy install and I can connect lots of people/devices. The reception has exceeded my expectations by bringing in weak and previously non-existent signals without any reoccurring costs. I recommend it....
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby Mike Massingill » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:28 am

An Island Time setup came with our boat. It worked fine as long as you had passwords.

Verizon had an offer for $100 per device unlimited data and calls. So now we have two phones and iPad to stream on the boat. They provide signals for TVs, laptops, music, etc.

40 miles offshore and we were still connected.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby Hyperion » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:19 pm

I'm probably getting the Rogue-Pro for my setup along with their 4g node. Grilled them at the Ft Lauderdale boat show and was impressed with the specs.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby rick s. » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:18 pm

I'm going to build a trial system consisting of two 4g lte modems and a very smart WAN router. The Wan router will output to a wifi system. In the northwest I will put a prepaid verizon sim card in one modem and an at&t prepaid sim in the other. The WAN router will bond the two channels when both are available, and as the footprints are not contiguous with the other, the router will route to one or the other modem without a drop in the applications running on the system. When I go to BC, I will put a Rogers prepaid sim in one of the modems and a Telux prepaid sim in the other, as the two coverage areas are pretty different. So, now all devices onboard will share a very nice and cost effective internet connection in coverage.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby wkearney99 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:28 pm

I'm looking to do something for our Eastbay. Pepwave and Cradlepoint make some pretty impressive units, including ones that have multi-SIM capabilities. I've not yet dug into the details.

An important point to remember is you want the antennas as close as possible to the radios. Using longer coax will lose signal strength and impact speed. So the closer the radio is to the antenna, the better. Directly attached is the best. I had a Wirie Pro up on the mast but it was only 3G and 2.4Ghz wifi.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby rick s. » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:40 pm

I've looked at the Cradlepoint and Pepwave products and they look really rugged and professional. Maybe i missunderstood but Cradlepoint seems to want to manage the sim services. Netgear has a very inexpensive 4glte modem that could work as well. The company in Rhode Island has a 4G device + wifi unit in a small radome for about $1600, but they want a monthly subscription, but this is a single sim device. What I need to do is figure out what price point I want to hit in the market. I am still leaning towards having two modems connected and bonding the data streams, making a really fast connection, and when coverage on one is limited or not existant there is a good chance the other will be pumping out the data.
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Re: Wi-Fi suggestions

Postby rick s. » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:39 pm

I've learned a bunch about WAN failover, load balancing, and channel bonding. I will try to keep this simple. Channel bonding is where the router combines the bandwidth from the various internet sources (be it 4g, bgan, wifi, satellite etc.). So if you have two 4glte modems each delivering 10 megabits per second, then you have a 20 megabit stream to share via wifi with the onboard devices. Due to the internet-tunneling technology used with channel bonding there are some providers, for instance Netflix, that will not let you use their service. Load balancing is a little different. In the previous example you have one 20 mbps stream. With load balancing you would have two 10 mbps streams and the router manages the traffic roughly equally between the two streams. WAN failover is where the traffic from internet path 1 is automatically routed to internet path two if somethings happens (loss of signal) to path 1. What I would like to be able to offer to my customers is all 3....WAN failover, channel bonding, and load balancing, but these routers are expensive and not sure whether the market will support the price tag for this.

The price I have in my head that I think will be acceptable to the market is in the $1500 range plus monthly usage charges but no yearly contract. I can hit this using a router with wifi for the boat, WAN failover and load balancing, and two 4g/lte modems. Channel bonding adds about 2K to this figure.


Maybe I will offer two products.

Interested in your thoughts.
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