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Postby Stretch Head » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:36 am

Sums it up from a Washington state rocker.
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Postby bill.read » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:10 pm

Time will be the determiner of which political philosophy and direction the country takes. However, I believe Trump and the Republican Party are harbingers of the collapse of the conservative movement that will struggle to maintain any influence in the decades to come.
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Postby bill.read » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:15 pm

Please use a facts checker before posting.....Cobain quote is false and been debunked, but still riding on the "Trump Train"...
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Postby Stretch Head » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:44 am

Thanks Bill for pointing that out. I saw that after my earlier post and didn't fact check.
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Postby bill.read » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:15 pm

You're welcome....with so much BS flying around from all sides, it is difficult and time consuming to "sort the wheat from the chaff"....
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Postby Bob Lowe » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:01 am

Time will be the determiner of which political philosophy and direction the country takes. However, I believe Trump and the Republican Party are harbingers of the collapse of the conservative movement that will struggle to maintain any influence in the decades to come.


You could be correct, Bill. However, the liberal and globalist "movement" apparently is being tossed aside by the people of those countries most recently victimized by those ideas. It didn't work at all well for them and the people were/are fed up with being experimented upon by the liberal globalist politicians.

Brexit was the beginning, then came the election/selection of Trump, and next will be more EU countries exiting the EU.

If one follows the markets long enough, one learns to recognize a major reversal, up or down, especially after a parabolic move in either direction. I believe the last decade has been that parabolic move by the iberals and globalists maximizing the speed and extent of the liberal and globalist movements, at least in the EU and US. And so we see Brexit, and Trump elected and countries exiting the EU and most probably States exiting the USA.

I think the liberals, globalists and the Democratic party in the US are in for a very rocky road over the next few years and probably longer.

We live in interesting times.... :)
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Postby bill.read » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:40 pm

Interesting indeed...the platform of the Trump Train rallying against the "globalist elite" projects monumental hypocrisy. Never mind that this very “globalism” was instrumental in spreading Donald Trump casinos, Donald Trump golf courses, Donald Trump towers, Donald Trump memes. Trump runs a global business empire, manufacturing clothing in China, Honduras, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Turkey, India, the Netherlands, Indonesia, Slovenia, Germany, South Korea, and Mexico. Two of Trump’s three wives were even born abroad. Where are the economic benefits for those who voted for him? Is he going to impose tariffs on all the goods his companies import to the US? Regarding economics, where is the alarm of a projected 7-10 trillion dollar deficit resulting from policies of the Republican and Trump administrations over the course of the next decade? If this comes to fruition, immigration, globalization, human rights, protectionism, global warming and environmental issues, etc. will be the least of our worries.

Departing from the economy, your quote "States leaving the US"? I believe this was settled some time ago. The Red states of the 2016 election receive a disproportionate amount from the Federal Government to the amount they contribute. The percentage of the total US GDP, is also disproportionalte with the Red contributing 35% to the Blue 65%. For all of the rhetoric and bombastic verbage rallying against "big Government", these folks need to look in the mirror.
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Postby Bob Lowe » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:17 pm

Wow, you certainly have some serious issues that seem to concern you, Bill, like Trump's businesses around the world and Trump's foreign born wives. I hope you can sort all that out.

You might want to research the difference between globalism and globalization, two quite different things.

Nationalism is the antithesis of globalism, which is what is going on in the US, UK, Europe, EU and elsewhere around the world.

The Red states of the 2016 election receive a disproportionate amount from the Federal Government to the amount they contribute.
I would like to see your data on that, Bill. Be sure to include all that is expended by the USG in the various states and all that is contributed by those same states. It does tend to get a bit complicated but the information is out there as I am sure you know and have access to.

Oh, and don't forget to allocate things like agricultural subsidies and similar proportionately to all states by population where those products are consumed at reduced prices and even distributed free under the food stamp program. And then there is the various welfare programs and public transportation systems subsidized by the USG. And so many other programs provided by the USG to the people or individuals. Don't forget those in your tallies by state based upon their use.

your quote "States leaving the US"? I believe this was settled some time ago.

Actually, the right to self-determination is enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and is backed by most modern nations as witnessed by the situation in the Falkland Islands vs Argentina. And so, like Global Warming and its causes is not settled science, states not being able to leave the United States of America is not settled law and I believe that theory will be soon tested.

We do live in interesting times, don't we? :)
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Postby bill.read » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:02 pm

Yes Bob, I do have some real issues. As a country, I believe we are in real trouble. I don't know if our institutions will survive the next major crisis. It is difficult to believe that a government saturated with business influence will take any action that benefits the majority of Americans. If you haven't watched the film "Requiem For The American Dream", I encourage you to do so, as it provides tremendous insight into the differences we are now experiencing. This will be my last discourse of political discussion.
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Postby Bob Lowe » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:39 pm

I agree with you Bill, the US and the Western world in general is in real trouble. I have felt for quite a few years that the US needed someone with solid business background to help turn things around.

Problem definition and problem solving are vital to running a solid successful business and is common to running a country as well. Time will tell if Trump will be good for the country and to change the course, but so far, I am impressed.

I'm not concerned with "a government saturated with business influence" since they all are. Countries run on trade. It's unavoidable. If you read the histories of civilization, you will see so many examples of how the world became civilized from trading activities.

Corruption, such as the Clinton Crime Family is another matter. I think we will see them disappear, which will be good for the country and the world. Who knows, they may even be further investigated and prosecuted. They certainly deserve it.

I think that when the Dems/Liberals settle down and accept the fact that they lost big, and start working with those that are now in power, things will improve. They can do many good things if that happens.

I'll look for Requiiem. Thanks for the reference. :)
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